expected behauviour

Are you sure this is the expected behaviour? Maybe my memory fails me but prior to 5.1 if you were on joomla 5.0.1 and channel next then you would be notified about 5.0.2.

Even if my memory is wrong a user on j4 had to set the channel to next to get j5 and at no point are they told to change their update channel to stable then none of these users will ever see an update to j5. The only reason @peteruoi would not even have known there was a new release of 5 was because they saw that information elsewhere

please re-open

the joomla 5 next channel shows that 5.1.1 is available so the user should have been notified of 5.1.1 release. So clearly it is NOT expected behaviour that you have to change the channel

https://github.com/joomla/update.joomla.org/blob/master/www/core/j5/next.xml

please re-open

the joomla 5 next channel shows that 5.1.1 is available so the user should have been notified of 5.1.1 release. So clearly it is NOT expected behaviour that you have to change the channel

https://github.com/joomla/update.joomla.org/blob/master/www/core/j5/next.xml

@brianteeman That XML is only relevant for 5.0 to 5.1 updates. For 5.1.x to 5.1.y updates the TUF repository is used: https://update.joomla.org/cms/targets.json .

P.S.: On 5.1 the default and next update channels use the same update URL. The difference is in the "channel" properties in the json (see link in my previous comment). On 5.x that would be "5.x" for the default and "6.x" for the next channel.

That explains where the bug is then

if you think it is acceptable not to change the behaviour and not to let users know about security or bug fixes then I guess it is the expected behaviour. clearly I disagree

Are you sure this is the expected behaviour? Maybe my memory fails me but prior to 5.1 if you were on joomla 5.0.1 and channel next then you would be notified about 5.0.2.

Even if my memory is wrong a user on j4 had to set the channel to next to get j5 and at no point are they told to change their update channel to stable then none of these users will ever see an update to j5. The only reason @peteruoi would not even have known there was a new release of 5 was because they saw that information elsewhere

Correct.

This could almost be characterised as security risk as the magnificent feature of joomla that informs the admins that a new update is on could be made useless.
At the very least (if the above is difficult to be implemented) make a new post install message after mifration from a major version that the users are strongly encouraged to change the update channel to joomla stable.

Of course it is a security risk!!

The author of an issue can always reopen it on GitHub if they think closing was wrong.

i don't have access to re-open. I personally have this corrected for me as now i know and i have changed the update channel manually. i still believe that other users won' t be as informed as me and joomla's backend is gonna give them a wrong feeling of secureness. I understand that now nothing can happened for the already migrated sites but i believe we can make it correct for the sites soon to be migrated

Sorry guys you are right makes sense to have 5.1.1 offered as update when on channel next.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/joomlanospam/permalink/10159616746300997/
maybe this is relevant?

Am I right in thinking that for those who updated 5.0x to to 5.1.0, it automatically changed the channel to 'Next'. But as 5.1.1 is not being flagged up as a 'Next', no-one will ever get notifications of an update in future, until version 6 comes along. Is that right? Can 5.1.2 have a 'Next' tag that then reverts the channel back to 'Default'?

This is the information displayed when you are on that channel and have updated from 4.x to 5.0

COM_JOOMLAUPDATE_VIEW_DEFAULT_UPDATES_INFO_NEXT="You are on the "%s" update channel. Through this channel you'll receive notifications for all updates of the current Joomla release (5.x) and you will also be notified when the future major release (6.x) will be available. Before upgrading to 6.x you'll need to assess its compatibility with your environment."

And also to clarify, I was alerted of an upgrade from 5.0.3 to 5.1.0 and had not changed the channel from 'default' to 'next'.
It would appear that part of the upgrade to 5.1.0 changed the channel to 'next'.
Despite what it says in the notice you give above for the 4x to 5x upgrade (which is different) alerts for 5.1.0 to 5.1.1 were not received.

As an aside, the version history page at https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla!_CMS_versions is out of date, or does it never include the latest versions?

Closing as having a pull request. Please test #43695 . Thanks in advance.

New PR is #43717 . Please test. Thanks in advance.