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avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor
11 Nov 2018

Closes #22980 -

Summary of Changes

Dont hide data when we dont need to, also negates the need to choose between "click" and "select"

Expected result

screenshot 2018-11-11 at 01 50 08

Actual result

screenshot 2018-11-09 at 15 32 35

avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - open - 11 Nov 2018
avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - change - 11 Nov 2018
Status New Pending
avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - change - 11 Nov 2018
Category Administration Language & Strings Front End Plugins
avatar Quy
Quy - comment - 11 Nov 2018

Update \media\plg_system_stats\js\stats.js to remove the toggler code?

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 11 Nov 2018

again, no, Not currently obsolete, used elsewhere :)

There is one other instance of this kind of thing when its not 03:16am I'll take another look at that one :-)

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 11 Nov 2018

not a fan of displaying this by default. what is the benefit

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 11 Nov 2018

not a fan of displaying this by default. what is the benefit

  1. Transparency. There is simply no point in hiding the information from view.

  2. To avoid the decision on "click or select" here, both are wrong, both are bad.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 11 Nov 2018

There is plenty of.reasons to hide it. It is overly technical for the ordinary user. They really only need.to set the plugin options. Anything else is scary and should be optionally displayed only to those that need to see it.

As for click. @mbabker already stated the reason and this change was made a few years ago. I guess you didn't notice.

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 11 Nov 2018

The " ordinary user" should not be asked a decision like this and should not be editing a plugin they know nothing about, and if the version numbers of your stack are "too technical" then you should not be running Joomla.

Furthermore there are multiple other places in Joomla we display "just as technical" information without hiding it.

Just because a wrong decision has been made (based on a conversation between three people none of which are project maintainers, only buried in a repository that is not joomla/joomla-cms) doesn't mean it cannot be changed if that decision was wrong. Do your research, you will see article after article on best practice text for links - not one of them will say to do what Joomla currently does (a "select here" on an "a" tag).

Select here is just wrong.

You dont select a link, you press, tap, click it. You select from a list or select to highlight text.

Click here is just as wrong.

Even w3.org: https://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/noClickHere

4 Reasons to Avoid Using ‘Click Here’ in Link Text
links-should-never-say-click-here
Why Your Links Should Never Say Click Here
Why Your Links Should Never Say "Click Here"
4 Simple Words to Avoid Using on Your Website for Better UX
Why “click here” is a terrible link, and what to write instead

and that was just half of the first page of google....

avatar mbabker
mbabker - comment - 11 Nov 2018

if the version numbers of your stack are "too technical" then you should not be running Joomla.

Contrary to your opinion, software like Joomla and WordPress are not exclusive applications that can only be utilized by computer science majors or other trained and/or certified individuals. You should not bombard someone with technical data they may not understand and tell them "understand it or do not use the software", that's bad UX unless your software is ONLY targeting developers (and even then it's bad unless your target is ONLY developers who are already in the know about whatever the subject is).

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 11 Nov 2018

The fact is there is no reason to hide this data. It is present elsewhere in Joomla unhidden.

The fact is "select here to view...." is simply, basically, very wrong. Unhiding the data was simple a proposed way to remove the blatantly wrong text.

Another PR for the bin.

avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - change - 11 Nov 2018
Status Pending Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2018-11-11 23:56:34
Closed_By PhilETaylor
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avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - close - 11 Nov 2018

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