Looking into that as I think it is a good idea.

The whole masonry grid needs to be rethought too. At best they're ok for photo galleries, assuming there is no particular content hierarchy but for a list, it makes scanning horrible.

The whole masonry grid needs to be rethought too.

Yes thats what I meant when I wrote (badly worded and explained, sorry)

That the most common features of Joomla are uppermost left in the visual area and those lesser used features lower down/right

Another idea is that these should actually be CONFIGURABLE admin menus with menu items that can then be extended/modified/manipulated by 3pd and "Super Admins" to remove/add/change menu items at will.

There is no reason to hard code all these "menus" when they could be created with the menu manager and managed as real menus.

There is no reason to hard code all these "menus" when they could be created with the menu manager and managed as real menus.

As nice as customizable administrative menus are, just keep in mind that making the admin area too flexible makes writing coherent documentation that much more complex because you can't "simply" say "Go to Extensions > Modules to manage your site's modules" if things are too customized. So, there needs to be a sane balance here.

lol - so lets dumb down Joomla features for the sake of documentation hahahahhaha

That is not what I said at all.

We already "dumb down" the interface if a user doesnt have ACL to do something ... its no different.

We already have this documentation issue!

1. Create an "dumbadmin" user in the Administrators group
2. Remove the ACL for the redirects component for the administrators groupd
3. login as "dumbadmin"
4. Note that redirects is no longer in the menu system on this page!

That is no more "complex" to document than what I proposed.

Documenting a feature is only available with a given ACL level still usually results in that feature consistently being discoverable in some spot.

Again, I'm not saying that making things flexible is bad. My only caution is if you make things too flexible you make it too easy for users to potentially mess things up catastrophically and too hard for documentation writers (for core, third party service providers, or those building sites and handing them off to clients) to consistently document things. So make sure whatever is done has a balanced approach, I don't think that's asking for too much (stop thinking that only "smart" developers will use the system and don't let the system be so flexible "average user" can shoot themselves in the foot).

Documentation Helpscreens should reflect the default Values of Joomla-Core in Text and Pictures. And Possibilities shipped by Core (Mulitlang. as example).

Had meant "Helpscreens" instead "Documentation" so this comment isn't on topic, please ignore.

I have made a PR to implement the original proposal of this issue, i.e. adding pills when necessary
See #23047

As the discussion went further than the original proposal, I'm not closing this for now.

I'm not closing this for now.

Easier than addressing my "opinions" apparently :)

Outstanding conversations:

1. @C-Lodder The whole masonry grid needs to be rethought too.
2. customizable administrative menus

I'll stick to code and not offer opinions on Joomla directions/features in the future. Apparently I always ask for too much.

Easier than addressing my "opinions" apparently :)

For sure. Easy to guess what I think of the whole UI in j4... ;)

Yeah! but make sure you "select" instead of "click" the ui, would not want to upset anyone :-P

hehe