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avatar coolcat-creations
coolcat-creations
28 May 2018

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

In GDPR / DSGVO you have to have a Privacy Policy, On German Websites an Imprint is always obligatory. It would be good to have the possibility to give access to those contents on an "offline" site.

Describe the solution you'd like

Selection in the Configuration which Article is ToS / Privacy Policy and Imprint an make it available Offline

avatar coolcat-creations coolcat-creations - open - 28 May 2018
avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - change - 28 May 2018
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avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 28 May 2018

Can you not do that with a template override of the offline page?

avatar coolcat-creations
coolcat-creations - comment - 28 May 2018

I thought that if literally every EU-directed website needs a privacy policy on the offline page it should be core? Not?

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 28 May 2018

I can't see why you would need a privacy policy for an offline site.

Maybe you would still need an impressum but that's something unique to Germany iirc

avatar coolcat-creations
coolcat-creations - comment - 28 May 2018

Of course you need a privacy policy - in the moment someone visits the hosting saves log data?

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 28 May 2018

Those are server logs not site logs. There is no personal identifiable information in there (as confirmed by German law).

avatar rdeutz
rdeutz - comment - 28 May 2018

A lot of people see it different. If you have the IP and the time than you have in theory the possibility to make a connection to a real person.

avatar coolcat-creations
coolcat-creations - comment - 28 May 2018

Yes I also see it like that...

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 28 May 2018

If you are going to add links to these pages/articles/texts, then "these" need to exist somewhere, and you cannot view "these" if they are Joomla content because the site is offline!

You would be changing the whole definition of "offline" (which technically already is not "offline" enough as a lot needs to be instantiated to get to the "offline" message.

Also are we now saying that these three "Articles" are going to be mandated to be completed by all Joomla sites from now on? Would they be Joomla articles? would they just be a url link configured in global config? Links to where exactly as the site could be "offline" for technical reasons... so links to off domain articles?

I think this opens up a whole new ballgame, and is not a quick fix.

The quick fix is for local template developers to style their offline pages to suit their requirements (and laws)

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 28 May 2018

The issue of IP address being pii has already been tested in the european court of justice. The conclusion was that it is only pii if the person logging the data has a legal way to determine who is the user of the ip address. As 99.99999% of joomla web site owners will never have that legal right then it is not pii on its own.

Reference https://www.whitecase.com/publications/alert/court-confirms-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-some-cases

The CJEU decided that a dynamic IP address will be personal data in the hands of a website operator if:

  1. there is another party (such as an ISP) that can link the dynamic IP address to the identity of an individual; and
  2. the website operator has a "legal means" of obtaining access to the information held by the ISP in order to identify the individual.
avatar mbabker
mbabker - comment - 28 May 2018

Offline mode, as half baked as it is (and nothing has changed since https://magazine.joomla.org/issues/issue-feb-2011/item/378-how-offline-is-joomla-offline-mode was written), is not intended to be able to display select portions of your website. I've tried masochistically in the past to make it behave in a semi-offline-but-display-select-content-from-select-sources mode in the past, it's possible but definitely not suggested for day to day use.

If you really need these policy documents to be available while Joomla is in offline mode, you need to serve them as static HTML files on your server.

avatar rdeutz
rdeutz - comment - 28 May 2018

I think an overwrite is the best way to go, don't see how we can support this without making offline mode to a low level cms online mode. I am for closing this one.

avatar brianteeman brianteeman - change - 28 May 2018
Status New Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2018-05-28 20:55:40
Closed_By brianteeman
avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 28 May 2018

Closed for the reasons stated above

avatar brianteeman brianteeman - close - 28 May 2018

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