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avatar crimle
crimle
21 Mar 2025

Steps to reproduce the issue

  • Create a module of the type «Smart Search»
  • Publish it somewhere in the Front-End
  • Enter any search term

Actual result

  • The following introductory text is displayed
    EN: Assuming «xxx» is required, the following result was found.
    DE: Für den Suchbegriff „xxx“ benötigt wird, wurde folgendes Ergebnis gefunden.

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Expected result

  • The English text is somehow clumsy. «Assuming %search term% is required» sounds weird to me. We really do hope that the mentioned search term is required.
  • The German text is obviously wrong; the sentence does not make sense for German speaking people.
  • In either case, I have a feeling that this introductory text is superfluous anyway. The search term can be seen in the search box above and nothing more is needed to explain, that we can see the search results underneath.
  • From my point of view, this div.#search-query-explained can be completely abolished

System information (as much as possible)

  • Tested with Joomla! 5.3.0-beta1
avatar crimle crimle - open - 21 Mar 2025
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avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 21 Mar 2025

The English text is somehow clumsy. «Assuming %search term% is required» sounds weird to me. We really do hope that the mentioned search term is required.

That is present for accessibility

The German text is obviously wrong; the sentence does not make sense for German speaking people.

Please contact the german translation team @tecpromotion

From my point of view, this div.#search-query-explained can be completely abolished

Feel free to do that in your site template and language overrides

avatar crimle
crimle - comment - 21 Mar 2025

This means that the Joomla search is the only search engine in the world that takes accessibility into account. I have never seen such an introductory text on Google, Bing or anywhere else. And I've never missed it.

In order to further improve accessability, may I suggest a new feature that displays a textbox with the following introductory text to the person who adds a new article:

«Assuming the title «xxx» is required, the following article will be saved.» /Irony

Back to seriousness. If this introductory text really can not be omitted, may I suggest another wording:

IS: Assuming «xxx» is required, the following result was found:
SHOULD BE: The search term xxx produces the following search results:

But I would still prefer to completely do away with this text. Lean, clear search results are also in the interest of visually impaired people.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 21 Mar 2025

Sorry I do not engage with anyone who thinks accessibility is a joke.

avatar crimle
crimle - comment - 21 Mar 2025

It is very unfortunate that as a committed member of the Joomla community I am being cold-cocked and dismissed in an undifferentiated manner. I ask you to read my post carefully. I did not question the necessity of accessibility. I merely took the liberty of pointing out that I am not aware of any search engine that announces the list of search results with such an introductory text. Furthermore, I have put myself in the position of a person with limited access to the screen and have come to the conclusion that I would prefer to have the search results read out to me and not necessarily listen to explanations with limited usefulness. Again: nowhere except Joomla does this exist.

avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 21 Mar 2025

@crimle just use the language override function to write your own text.

avatar crimle
crimle - comment - 21 Mar 2025

@chmst I know the language override function. I even know the CSS code

div.#search-query-explained {
  display: none
}

But I think it's inappropriate to nip a suggestion for improvement in the bud with the argument ‘You can create an override’ in a project that relies on the active participation of a community. Especially when you do it in a rather arrogant way, as brianteeman has just done.

I am open to an objective discussion and I am also capable of accepting fact-based arguments.

It is very important to handle human resources with care. A project like Joomla should be happy and grateful for people who want to get involved and are willing to sacrifice some of their free time. To dismiss fellow thinkers unobjectively can be counterproductive.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 21 Mar 2025

well in future I suggest you dont make fun of people with accessibility needs

avatar crimle
crimle - comment - 21 Mar 2025

My mother tongue is not English, so I may have expressed myself in a misleading way. I certainly didn't mean to make fun of people with disabilities. Certainly not! Making fun is not the same as irony or humour. I assume that a pinch of humour is good in every situation and in every situation in life. I just wanted to raise the question of whether this function really makes an essential and indispensable contribution to accessibility. Perhaps I'm not good enough at empathising with these people. In view of the fact that there is no such introductory text anywhere else on a search engine, I have come to the conclusion that it probably cannot be an overwhelming need.

avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 21 Mar 2025

I agree the the translation is wrong. I fixed this bug in german language package long time ago but this got lost. I will make a new PR for the german language .

avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 21 Mar 2025

@brianteeman This sentence for search results is built by the program in a way that it forms a correct englisch sentence. But impossible to translate it in a way that it gives a correct German sentence

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 21 Mar 2025

@brianteeman This sentence for search results is built by the program in a way that it forms a correct englisch sentence. But impossible to translate it in a way that it gives a correct German sentence

so fix the bug in the string construction. the suggestion of deleting it is not an option

avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 21 Mar 2025

joomlagerman/joomla#3435 PR for German translation - not 1:1 translation but correct German Sentences. If this is accepted, we don't need changes in Joomla Core.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 24 Mar 2025

You can of course disable that line in the component options if it offends you so much

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avatar chmst chmst - close - 25 Mar 2025
avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 25 Mar 2025

Closing as there is a PR for German Translation.

avatar chmst chmst - change - 25 Mar 2025
Status New Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2025-03-25 07:01:50
Closed_By chmst

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