[#43215] - [4.4] Fix unclear Text Message in All Menu Items area Batch Action process (Update com_menus.ini)
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- 17 Oct 2024
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- Build: 4.4-dev
- # 43215
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- exlemor:4.4-menutextfix
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Pull Request for Issue #43214
To make the Menu - All Menu Items screen batch message clearer/easier to understand and follow.
Summary of Changes
Changed com_menus.ini text string to make it easier to understand action...
While testing Joomla 5.1.0. RC1 during/after the Release Testing meeting, I came across a not so easy to understand message...
I needed to test Batch operations in the Menus Area and I happen to click on All Menu Items...
There, I selected the 'Blog' menu entry (created for me when I installed the Sample Data set), then clicked on Actions --> Batch.
The explanation message (which feels like an error or at least a notice/warning etc yet is not in orange etc ) says:
Batch process the selected menu items
To use batch processing, please first select a Menu in the manager.
yet, that last line is confusing...
It should say:
To use batch processing, please first select the - Select Menu - entry in the dropdown menu above on this screen.
Testing Instructions
Just that the string is updated.
Check if need be the video:
https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/assets/2597232/eba94446-f911-4020-9ac4-b763c54da513
Actual result BEFORE applying this Pull Request
To use batch processing, please first select a Menu in the manager.
Expected result AFTER applying this Pull Request
To use batch processing, please first select the - Select Menu - entry in the dropdown menu above on this screen.
Link to documentations
Please select:
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Documentation link for docs.joomla.org:
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No documentation changes for docs.joomla.org needed
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Pull Request link for manual.joomla.org:
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No documentation changes for manual.joomla.org needed
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In German the message is something like "Please select a Menu".
I think this is better (when correct english). It is the users's choice where he wants to specify the menu, in the manager or in the filter bar.
I have tested this item ✅ successfully on 93650ad
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I have tested this item ✅ successfully on 93650ad
Works as described: the text was different.
I don't understand what it means though, so to me it's still unclear. What do we want people do to here?
Something like this?
To use batch processing, please first choose a specific menu from the dropdown on top of this screen.
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I have tested this item ✅ successfully on 93650ad
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This is not correct. You could also select a menu in the sidebar menu
What about this comment by @brianteeman ? I think he is right and the way described in the changed language string is not the only way to select a menu.
So what about:
To use batch processing, please first choose a specific menu. Use the dropdown on top of this screen or the link in the sidebar menu.
Hi Anja, thanks for your version (hug)
So what about:
To use batch processing, please first choose a specific menu. Use the dropdown on top of this screen or the link in the sidebar menu.
I would be OK with that, I was trying to find the shortest language version and I did not have a problem with guiding users to 1 of 2 possible ways of doing it - but since it seems that this is not appreciated :), your version is good.
the link in the sidebar menu part of your proposal is for me a bit too vague which link?
I wish it was more specific so as to remove any confusion or doubt - that's why I tried to be very specific in my 1 pointing to a specific version. (hug)
Sometimes more is less understandable
True @brianteeman
So we're back to: Select a menu.
So we're back to: Select a menu.
Maybe "Select a menu wherever you find some."? ?
And I am sorry to disagree with Brian ;) or be a pain - but it's not about more or fewer words it's about being clear, confusion free - after I was confused I had 2 unrelated regular users - 1 of which works occasionally with Joomla 4 and one that has worked with Joomla for 3 years pretty actively as a content editor and occasionally a bit more and they were also confused so the confusion is 'real' - which is why I was trying to either:
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direct people to 1 working solution (if certain users know a second way of doing things great but I didn't have a problem with providing a clear 1 way to get the task done) or
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since that seems to be the consensus find a way to be clear as to both ways of getting it done.
(funny Richard ;) just saw your Maybe "Select a menu wherever you find some."? ? comment :p
Would it be better to just hide the Batch option under All Menu Items?
Would it be better to just hide the Batch option under All Menu Items?
Nice idea.
I see already the issues coming "batch button missing in all menu items" :)
In the last days I stumbled upon this message several times. I don't remember why we need to select a menu at all? In categories, I can select all and then activate the batch button, no need to select a parent.
I don't remember why we need to select a menu at all?
Maybe it isnt needed any more
| Status | Pending | ⇒ | Closed |
| Closed_Date | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 | ⇒ | 2024-10-17 10:20:14 |
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This is not correct. You could also select a menu in the sidebar menu