I am not in favour of this change.

I am not in favour of this change.

may I ask why?

I am not in favour of this change.

Does it contain any language mistakes? Can I ask you for a review?

Removing text in capitals is very welcome and a step towards accessibility.

it removes important information
it is harder to read
it does not frontload the action

Removing text in capitals is very welcome and a step towards accessibility.

that is valid in the absence of html (which can be used instead)

it removes important information

Which one?

it is harder to read

Sorry I did my best with my non native skills. Maybe someone could rephrase it in english. Fun Fact: The german mail is a kind of 1:1 translation of the english one and very hard to read too.

it does not frontload the action

Ok maybe we can write
"Please start the update via the following link:" instead "The system update can easily be started via the following link:"

From a language perspective words such as "easily" should not be used. They are subjective words that have been prevuously removed (sorry I cant find the link right now).

Sorry I did my best with my non native skills. Maybe someone could rephrase it in english.

Which is why I am not in favour of the changes

Fun Fact: The german mail is a kind of 1:1 translation of the english one and very hard to read too.

Perhaps that's the real problem to be solved

Ok, then I ask someone native to rephrase the mail. As stated above: The current mail is kind of agressive and negative, way too long, scares people and is confusing.

I was not aware that it's forbidden to suggest changes as non native. Sorry for bothering you Brian.

@brianteeman I understand your opinion from a developers point of view. As a user I am bored to get this text again and again and again.

Could we shorten the text to a minimum and bring the endless repeated information on a documentation page?

@chmst thats a also very nice suggestion, the mail is way too long. People who really need help could read all important things on a docs page - the mail would only contain "the good news".

What is the repeated information?

Where is the evidence that it scares people?

What is the repeated information?

This email IS NOT sent by the Joomla! project. It is sent automatically by your own site,
Your site has discovered that there is an updated version of Joomla! available for download.

This email is sent to you by your site to remind you of this fact.
The Joomla! project will never contact you directly about available updates of Joomla! on your site.

This email has been automatically sent by a plugin provided by Joomla!, the software which powers your site.

If you do not understand what Joomla! is and what you need to do please do not contact the Joomla! project.
They are NOT sending you this email and they cannot help you. Instead, please contact the person who built or manages your site.

This email is sent to you by your own site, xxxxx

Where is the evidence that it scares people?

It scares even me. Its unfriendy and harsh.

It scares even me. Its unfriendy and harsh.

and in seven years this is the first time you raise it. Obviously not that scary.

PS the original text was not written by a native english speaker either

It scares even me. Its unfriendy and harsh.

and in seven years this is the first time you raise it. Obviously not that scary.

better late then never, so can you help making this text friendlier?

better late then never, so can you help making this text friendlier?

No not really as I dont see the problem

better late then never, so can you help making this text friendlier?

No not really as I dont see the problem

Ok that's sad then we find someone else, thanks anyway.

to be clear and to avoid misunderstanding - I am not refusing to help. I am just saying as I dont see where it is unfriendly I wouldnt be able to make it less unfriendly

to be clear and to avoid misunderstanding - I am not refusing to help. I am just saying as I dont see where it is unfriendly I wouldnt be able to make it less unfriendly

I understood that, as said no problem.

Who can I contact if I have any questions?

This e-mail is an automatically sent information e-mail from the website {SITENAME}.
If you have any questions about this email or the necessary steps to update, please contact the person who manages your website.

Admin lost?

Kindly search the web for "Joomla Forum" or "Joomla Service Provider" - the community is glad to help you out.

-> Some lovely closing words :)

Mentioning sustainability. Millions of Joomla sites, send x*millions of update mails - users could be encouraged to reduce co2 emission and set parameters for update messages carefully.

See #11707 & #35345.

My suggestion would be:

Update email notification type:

• Only important security updates (fixed 12-hours-frequency) - preselected.
• All updates (fixed 14-days-frequency or configurable, except from security updates arriving twice daily).

Extend detailsurl (https://update.joomla.org/core/sts/extension_sts.xml) with its security relevance.

-> co2 emission drastically lowered.

Mentioning sustainability. Millions of Joomla sites, send x*millions of update mails - users could be encouraged to reduce co2 emission and set parameters for update messages carefully.

This is a really good point. It could certainly be made shorter and friendlier without losing information or impact. It's also a missed opportunity marketing wise.
I understand Brians point about subjective comments but we should be allowed some pride in our releases. At least paint them as improvements.

WHY AM I RECEIVING THIS EMAIL? section, (I hate all caps as I find them hard to read and studies show that its harder to read than lowercase so that's one thing we should fix) does not say why they are receiving it apart from the mechanism, a plugin, which if its read by someone who has no clue as the email seems to be aimed at, won't understand what a plugin is!. It should say the why is to help secure, improve or bug fix their site.

There is no positive message.

I will have a think and see if I can improve on it and would encourage others to. Then we can come up with an improvement which is hopefully positive, environmentally friendly and humanly friendly.

The original text, the section headings in capitals and the text should not be changed because the email is informative and it contains the right level of details for the target audience, the webmasters who maintain Joomla sites.

@softforge - Did you have the chance to look into this?

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