Is there really a need for this. Adding yet another parameter. As shown in the stack overflow link it can be easily achieved with template overrides

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This is a common requirement. There is a plugin which provides this function - but it has bugs and whilst I have fixed them and provided the solution to the author he has yet to provide an update.

More to the point, if you try to provide every function through plugins, performance gets very poor - so common requirements are (IMO) best served with native functionality.

I have to be honest and say that I have never heard anyone ask for this
requirement before. Personally I would do it with a template override. But
thats my personal opinion.

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This is a common requirement. There is a plugin which provides this
function - but it has bugs and whilst I have fixed them and provided the
solution to the author he has yet to provide an update.

More to the point, if you try to provide every function through plugins,
performance gets very poor - so common requirements are (IMO) best served
with native functionality.

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Well - Folcomedia Real Full Text is the extension and the fact that it exists suggests that there is a requirement out there. I was hoping to find out how many times it had been downloaded / installed from the JED, but that statistic is not available to me either on the JED site or on the Folcomedia site.

I agree with Brian here. Use a simple template override (or alternative layout) if you need that. They are exactly for that kind of things.
No need for a plugin or anything else. And in theory overrides even are faster

Closing this PR.

Well - I am happy that it was properly considered, even if I am unhappy that it was rejected.

That said, the other reason for doing it as an option and not an override is that an option can be used by a non-technical person without knowing about the technicalities of template overrides.

We should not forget that the benefit of a CMS is that it can be used by non-technical people, and a lot of Joomla installs are done by the web hosters as a pre-packaged version that cannot be altered.

I agree with that. But honestly, exactly those users are currently overthrown by the options in com_content. They either would not find it or don't understand what it does.

I strongly believe we should reduce the options, especially the ones that can be easily solved by overrides. And instead make it easier to create and edit those overrides.

I am a Fabrik user, so I do understand about Option hell.

But if Joomla is to retain and enhance further its market position it needs to be both extremely simple for the complete novice AND very comprehensive for the advanced user AND easy to use by everyone. In other words, the UI is at least as important as the basic functionality, and the Joomla admin UI is very clunky.

So IMO the way to solve this is not to restrict options to a bare minimum but to:

a. Provide comprehensive options;
b. Provide a better set of default settings for these options suitable for beginners (so they don't need to change the settings to get going);
c. Provide profile functionality - so more than one set of global defaults which you can choose from for each com_content blog usage, and several pre-defined defaults for common use cases.
d. Provide top notch context help - i.e. global setting to turn on / off descriptive help;
e. Make tweaking settings as WYSIWYG and as easy as possible by ajax from the front end - and avoid user making changes in back-end, then refreshing in front-end then repeat.
f. Provide wizard-type functions to step novices through setting choices with examples.

But this is obviously a set of strategic UI goals that is nothing to do with this PR really.

So, for the moment I am happy with the folcomedia plugin, and so happy to leave this closed.