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avatar jjnxpct
jjnxpct
15 Dec 2021

Steps to reproduce the issue

  • Edit the public usergroep
  • Change the name
  • Save

Expected result

  • New name is saved

Actual result

  • Error: "Invalid field: Group Parent"

System information (as much as possible)

Joomla 4.0.5
PHP 8.0.13
10.2.41-MariaDB

Additional comments

avatar jjnxpct jjnxpct - open - 15 Dec 2021
avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - change - 15 Dec 2021
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avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - labeled - 15 Dec 2021
avatar toivo
toivo - comment - 16 Dec 2021

The Joomla! Help page Users: New or Edit Group advises against editing User Groups:

"Joomla! is installed with set of User Groups suitable for management of standard sites. The default groups should not be edited! New groups can be created for special purposes."


This comment was created with the J!Tracker Application at issues.joomla.org/tracker/joomla-cms/36322.

avatar alikon alikon - change - 16 Dec 2021
Status New Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2021-12-16 08:43:06
Closed_By alikon
avatar alikon alikon - close - 16 Dec 2021
avatar alikon
alikon - comment - 16 Dec 2021

expected behaviour

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 16 Dec 2021

Please re-open. The help might say that but the documentation and the code doesnt. There is no mention of this restriction in Joomla 3 help pages.

If you cannot rename these groups "for some unknown reason" then they should not be editable and they should have a correct and meaningful error message. Not the current error message which is not helpful

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 16 Dec 2021

In addition the information that "The default groups should not be edited" is totally wrong. There is no reason that any of them can not be edited. The only one with a problem is the root (public)

avatar jjnxpct
jjnxpct - comment - 16 Dec 2021

I just want to translate the group names to the language that is used in the backend, for our clients this is mostly dutch. So we want then to see dutch usergroup names. I see no reason why this should not be done? Maybe adding translation string to the usergroup could also help with this. But I am not sure that is technically possible.

We already changed the group names below the root public item. The root is the only one we could not change because of the error.

avatar alikon alikon - change - 16 Dec 2021
Status Closed New
Closed_Date 2021-12-16 08:43:06
Closed_By alikon
avatar alikon alikon - reopen - 16 Dec 2021
avatar deltapapa01
deltapapa01 - comment - 22 Jan 2022

Hi,
I have exactly the same problem: After migrating a J3 site to J4, I noticed that the root group is named "Öffentlich". I now wanted to rename this to Public, simply to name the groups of clarity in all my Joomlas in the same way. That works good, except for the lowest level. Renaming from "Öffentlich" to "Public" is not possible. Presumably the parent level field is there and empty but hidden, hence the error message. The only way was to change the entry directly in the table via PhpMyAdmin.


This comment was created with the J!Tracker Application at issues.joomla.org/tracker/joomla-cms/36322.

avatar chmst chmst - change - 4 May 2022
Labels Added: bug
avatar chmst chmst - labeled - 4 May 2022
avatar chmst
chmst - comment - 4 May 2022

If the name may not be change, the message is wrong. If the name can be changed then the parent name of "public" cannot be requested.

avatar chmst chmst - change - 4 May 2022
Labels Added: J3 Issue
avatar chmst chmst - labeled - 4 May 2022
avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 4 May 2022

Technically the message is correct as it explains the technical reason why. However I would much prefer it if we could work out how to allow the group to be renamed instead of adjusting the message

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