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PhilETaylor
24 Aug 2021

Something is NOT available.

Too scary language when really we dont want a negative here, we want a positive, enticing people to carry on reading to update the component because live update is available, they just first need to update the component.

Also "Live Update" is old Akeeba language, Joomla doesn't refer to updating Joomla using com_joomlaupdate anywhere else as a "live update" (apart from in the very recently added pre update check)

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avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - open - 24 Aug 2021
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PhilETaylor - comment - 24 Aug 2021

as an example, after upgrading the component its referred to "One-click update"

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avatar zero-24
zero-24 - comment - 24 Aug 2021

Too scary language when really we dont want a negative here, we want a positive, enticing people to carry on reading to update the component because live update is available, they just first need to update the component.

@PhilETaylor can you please send a PR with a better language string against 3.10-dev.

Also "Live Update" is old Akeeba language, Joomla doesn't refer to updating Joomla using com_joomlaupdate anywhere else as a "live update" (apart from in the very recently added pre update check)

The tab you hit "install update" is called "live update" since years?

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 24 Aug 2021

@PhilETaylor can you please send a PR with a better language string against 3.10-dev.

No, nope. Not prepared to have to defend my english :) Im already told Im a bully and too negative. Have you ever called what I write "positive & enticing"??? LMAO

What we dont want people doing is seeing that something is not available and clicking away... without reading. Users do this kind of thing.

The tab you hit "install update" is called "live update" since years?

There is no tab in Joomla 4. So even less references to "live update"

avatar zero-24
zero-24 - comment - 24 Aug 2021

Its there (in 3.x) since we added the "Upload & Install" tab into 3.x:
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But I'm fine to change it to something else when there is a better proposal out there.

avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 25 Aug 2021

But we should not call it "One click update" as long as we have these check boxes for confirming that all extensions are compatible and having made a backup and so on and so on.

avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 25 Aug 2021

Maybe "Three click update"? ;-)

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 25 Aug 2021

Further proving my point that this is overdue a rethink. The naming of the feature however was only a secondary point to this issue. The overly negative language was the main point I was trying to get across.

avatar zero-24
zero-24 - comment - 25 Aug 2021

I agree I'm happy to take better meaning more positive english wording in.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 25 Aug 2021

Am I correct that you are looking for an alternative label for LiveUpdate that indicated it is different from Upload & Update because you dont need to download anything to your pc?

If so then I would suggest "Direct Update" or even just "Update"

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 25 Aug 2021

Am I correct that you are looking for an alternative label for LiveUpdate t

As the issue opening text states, this issue was more about the overly negative language in the title that could put off people upgrading. Saying "LiveUpdate/Direct Update/Update is not available" is just as bad. People will read that and give up. What that should be is inviting them to upgrade the com_joomlaupdate plugin before returning and trying again

avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 25 Aug 2021

Maybe something like "One step needed before you can update Joomla!"?

avatar PhilETaylor
PhilETaylor - comment - 25 Aug 2021

#35373 Joomla 3.x -

COM_JOOMLAUPDATE_VIEW_DEFAULT_NO_LIVE_UPDATE="A new version of the Joomla Update Component is available."
COM_JOOMLAUPDATE_VIEW_DEFAULT_NO_LIVE_UPDATE_DESC="You must update this first before you can update Joomla! <a class=\"alert-link\" href="_QQ_"index.php?option=com_installer&view=update"_QQ_">Click here to update the component</a>."

#35374 Joomla 4.x - Empty State Design strings

COM_JOOMLAUPDATE_SELF_EMPTYSTATE_CONTENT="You must update this component first before you can update Joomla!"
COM_JOOMLAUPDATE_SELF_EMPTYSTATE_TITLE="A new version of the Joomla Update Component is available"
avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - change - 25 Aug 2021
Status New Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2021-08-25 18:23:03
Closed_By PhilETaylor
avatar PhilETaylor PhilETaylor - close - 25 Aug 2021

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