[#35345] - [4] Change update cache timeout to 12h by default
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- 25 Aug 2021
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Summary of Changes
Proposing to increase the update cache timeout from 6 hours to 12 hours. I hope I found all the places this is needed.
Sometime in history, someone decided 6 was a sensible default.
As shown in the last week, getting an email every 6 hours about an available Joomla update is forcing people, even seasoned Joomla people, to disable the Update Notification Emails - not really what we want people to do.
Further evidence that the value of these notification is diminished by their frequency can be seen by the number of articles and videos telling people how to disable the emails on their sites and ignore the fact that updates are available.
There is no need to check for updates every 6 hours - for three of those checks every 24 hours I'm probably asleep.
This PR proposes to move to 12 hour timeouts for the cache - meaning that:
- Joomla potentially will check less for updates
- Joomla will email update notification emails only once during any persons waking day... I consider a single email a day, and one for me to wake up to, better than one every 6 hours, so when I wake up I get 2 or 3 duplicated emails in my mailbox.
This PR and the proposal is NOT to change existing sites timeout settings. Therefore there is no data migration planned in this PR, but to have this new setting only going forward (also why no Joomla 3 version of this PR)
Testing Instructions
Check for updates. Wait 12 hours, visit your site, see if you get update notification emails.
Actual result BEFORE applying this Pull Request
potentially 4 emails per day
Expected result AFTER applying this Pull Request
potentially 2 emails per day
Update sites under less stress/strain
Cheaper CDN payments for extension developers :)
Documentation Changes Required
Probably.
Conflicts
Will eventually conflict with typo PR in #35346
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whatever time you set you will steal find people saying it is too often.
I can't fix stupid but I can propose a more sensible value.
also this pr will only apply to new installs
As clearly stated in my proposal PR text.
for me this PR is pointless
For now is a "good" workaroud, but probably the best thing to do is decouple the Update Cache timing, from the Update Notification Emails. Maybe i want to receive these email once per week... but i want only 6 hours for the update cache.
only problem with that is the cache needs updating before you can be sure there is still an update available :)
only problem with that is the cache needs updating before you can be sure there is still an update available :)
Maybe a cron job can help? Every x hour the update cache will be refreshed, every x hour the notification plugin checks if the update cache is updated (:-P) and then do some actions... like refresh the update cache and send the notification mail.
Or can be do something like what Akeeba Admin Tools does with the "email throttling" for WAF blocked requests. This setting throttle down the frequency of emails sent.
or simply update your site. thats the best way to stop the email
Once again @brianteeman showing how disconnected he is from real average Joomla users, and digital agencies running Joomla on behalf of clients /facepalm
Try listening to Joomla users instead of always dismissing their genuine feedback!
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or simply update your site. thats the best way to stop the email
A "site"?! We have hundred websites to manage, over 60 active Joomla sites, with dozens of extensions, customizations, integrations, etc. Here we never update an "important" site without going through a staging step.
(luckily softwares like @PhilETaylor's one give us a great help)
I know, we can always do a PR
what's wrong in simply disable that plugin if you like or dislike ?
what's wrong in simply disable that plugin if you like or dislike?
And thats the whole point.
The plugin was designed to nudge users to upgrade, but due to the frequency of emails all it has succeeded in doing is annoying users who then seek to just "turn it off" rather than follow the advice to upgrade.
Its not really a nudge any more - its just plain spammy... 4 emails a day x 100 sites = 400 emails a day, per Super Admin....
Its time "Joomla" started actually listening to real Joomla users, and not just thinking they know best. Ah well. Closed now anyway and will never change.
what's wrong in simply disable that plugin if you like or dislike ?
Because the world is not only black & white ;-)
whatever time you set you will steal find people saying it is too often.
also this pr will only apply to new installs