Is it the same when you access the media manager directly from the
Content>Media menu in the admin?

Do you have many images in the images/ folder

Do you have JCE set up to generate and use thumbnails

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Yes and yes. A lots of folders (inside stories folder) and more than 10,000 images, all arranged in folder structure.

I am not using JCE, I have only installed it to see if the issue is the same with JCE media manager, and it's not.

Related #21936 with large images.

Almost, but here it's just a lot of folders and images, the max folder size is no more than 3-5MB

My questions about the number of images was specifically about the number of images in the root folder - by the sound of it thats not the problem

My question about jce was because it has a thumbnail option - again thats not the problem either

Not a lot at all, maybe 20 images at the root folder and none of them is above 300kb. By the way It's even very slow to delete - about 22 sec again.

@ch2856 The solution to your problem is here - #27761

My website has the same images problem

it is nothing to do with lazy loading images

This will always be a problem with PHP.

@brianteeman lazy loading wis not the only solution, but it will most definitely decrese the render blocking aspect of the media manager. The media manager doesn't generate thumbnails, so if you're uploading raw images (e.g 10mb per image and 1000 of them, you're looking at a very long time) without lazy loading.

I am only talking about this specific user. They do not have a lot of images in the root folder. JCE media manager without thumbnails had no problem.

it can take up to 20 sec for the media manager to load in the modal.

You have to wait 20 sec before the modal + mediamanger is loaded and before you can see and select folders and images and so on?

Or you have to wait 20 sec before you see all folder and image thumbnails (but the links are already there and you can use them)?

20 sec for the interface to load or 20 sec of white background modal and only then the media manager start to load.

This is not an image data issue.
It is PHP bogging down while parsing that directory structure which it needs to do to generate the "Folder List" at the top of the Modal.
1000 directories and having 10000 files throughout is quite the load.

20 sec for the interface to load or 20 sec of white background modal and only then the media manager start to load.

Just for the statistics.
Content > Media.

/images/ folder with 11.7GB - 95,863 files - 5,485 folders.
/images/stories/ folder with 6.9GB - 55,266 files - 4,175 direct subfolders (level 1).

Loading time, depending on subfolder size (files and level 1 subfolders), between 2.5 and 3.5 seconds. Thumbnail creation a little bit longer for some MB files.

Not a super turbo server.

I have about the same size of images/stories/
Running on LiteSpeed V7.5 php 7.3.15 5.5.5-10.4.12-MariaDB-log
Server with 8 cores and 8gb
It's a server i have moved to just few days ago but i had the same issue on nginx.

I will be happy with 2.5 sec for loading the media manager at content->media.
Can you share your php setting?

Can you share your php setting?

https://re-later.eu/systeminfo-2020-03-19T20_40_43+01_00.txt

this solution could help #26511

Update: I have installed two media manager alternative (Quantum and ARK) with both, it's load in a breeze so it's clearly something with joomla media manager.

so it's clearly something with joomla media manager

Yes it is, as @GCLW wrote, that because Media manger scan all folders recursively,
And for 1000 fodlers and 10000 files it need a much time, even with fast file system

this solution could help #26511

No. You don't understand the main problem here:

20 sec for the interface to load or 20 sec of white background modal and only then the media manager start to load.

And for 1000 fodlers and 10000 files it need a much time, even with fast file system

My test above with more folders and files is on a standard account at a standard host. So I wonder about the 15 seconds diff.

a standard host

It very depend from file system, SSD or HDD etc, file system connected via NFS or direct read/write etc
On some hosts I just not able to open media manager with a lot of files, it takes forever

The question why media manager doing it, even if requested to open 1 specific folder it still scan whole /images

Thanks for clarification.

I am using modern VPS server with SSD. The fact that the same directory is being read so much faster with other media manager extension, says it's something with they way joomla own media manager works.

I agree with your conclusion although the findings of @ReLater seem to be ok

There is a solution for this documented here: joomla-projects/media-manager-improvement#510

That is not relevant to this issue which is for J3 and is about parsing the folder tree

That is not relevant to this issue which is for J3 and is about parsing the folder tree

True the solution cannot be applied to v3.x but the same problem will exist also in v4 because the fundamental parsing of the files in the folders is basically the same

We are also seeing this issue. Has anyone found a solution? We are running and Joomla! 3.9.27 it takes about 27 seconds for the folders to load. Sometimes even longer. Root folder isn't huge but we do have numerous folders with thousands of images.

I moved to Quantum manager, solved all my issues.

Thank you for raising this issue.

Joomla 3 is now in security only mode with no further bug fixes or new features.

As this issue doesn't relate to Joomla 4 it will now been closed.

If we are mistaken and this does apply to Joomla 4 please open a new issue (and reference this one if you wish) with updated details for testing in Joomla 4.
cc @zero-24