J4 Issue ?
avatar brianteeman
brianteeman
17 Jul 2019

The current situation is that if you hover on the version number you will see information if the version is out of date but it is very easy to miss
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Option 1

If the version is out of date then when you click on install you get a warning before installing

Option 2

Display the message permanently on screen
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Option 3

I'm sure their must be more options

/cc @Bakual @infograf768

avatar brianteeman brianteeman - open - 17 Jul 2019
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avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 17 Jul 2019

Just my 5 cent: I don't like option2. It will show some 120 times the same message. Hard to find the one or 2 language packs which are up to date between the 120 (or so) others.

Maybe we can just have an icon for that in a column, and if nessesary one time this "Language pack does not match" text in a kind of legend above or below the list?

avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 17 Jul 2019

Maybe just a sad emoji in a column beside the version if not up to date, or a red exclamation mark, and beside the column header (should be short, so "Up to date" might be too long) show a referrer to a footnote, and this then has the text what the column means?

Or have that sad emoji or red exclamation mark right (or left if RTL) beside the version but in same column, and add referrer to footnote to the version column header?

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 17 Jul 2019
  1. I have faith that we will only have a few out of date languages
  2. Whatever is done it has to be accessible
avatar richard67
richard67 - comment - 17 Jul 2019
  1. In my 3.9.10 it is some 50/50 good/outdated
  2. I agree.

I could live with your option 2, I just would not like it very much ;-)

avatar infograf768
infograf768 - comment - 18 Jul 2019

I have faith that we will only have a few out of date languages

As we will certainly get much less languages than available in 3.x, this looks right at first sight, but my experience shows we still would have a good proportion of outdated.
One simple reason is the time it may take to update a pack when a new version is released as it depends on the availability of TTs.
The other is that we may now be able to update J to non-stable versions.

Concerning the solution, I am still hoping that someone codes the use of an interrogation mark to display available readable tooltips. In that case we would see the interrogation mark in red near the version number and some sr only stuff in that case.

Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09 04 04

Concerning the alert, it would work in Install Languages (only one lang pack can be installed at a time) but not during Joomla installation as one can select multiple languages to install at the same time. I guess we should normalize that behavior.

Note: the background brown reddish color and pink text color for the badge-warning class in the new backend template are not only ugly but the figure is hardly readable..

avatar franz-wohlkoenig
franz-wohlkoenig - comment - 18 Jul 2019

I guess we should normalize that behavior.

+1 if it mean to install multiple Languages at one Time in an installed Joomla.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 18 Jul 2019

@infograf768
Do you want the ? on all languages or do you mean just on those that are out of date?
If the latter then I would suggest to use the warning icon ⚠️
If that's what you want its very easy for me to do that

avatar Bakual
Bakual - comment - 18 Jul 2019

I think JM meant that icon as a general solution in case tooltips are available. Then this would solve itself.

But here in that case, I'd use a warning icon as well.

avatar infograf768
infograf768 - comment - 18 Jul 2019

I meant using the interrogation mark as a way to display the tooltip (not only there but everywhere in Joomla)
It would not show in this case if the language is up to date.

For people with no sight disabilities, the colour of the version (badge-warning) is enough imho compared to the updated language that should be green (badge-success).

Not sure about usng a warning icon as a replacement to the interrogation mark as it would not be obvious hovering it would be understood as going to display the tooltip.
But added to the interrogation mark could be OK although getting heavy.

Note: I wonder if we could not also add a Filtering by Version.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 18 Jul 2019
  1. Adding tooltips back in to Joomla is off topic here
  2. I will do it with an ℹ️ (information) icon if out of date and we can see how it works
  3. Filtering by version is off topic here but I wouldnt recommend it. I want my language not just my language if its up to date.
avatar infograf768
infograf768 - comment - 18 Jul 2019

I will do it with an ℹ️ (information) icon if out of date and we can see how it works

Looks like a good idea.

avatar franz-wohlkoenig franz-wohlkoenig - change - 18 Jul 2019
Status Discussion Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2019-07-18 11:39:05
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avatar franz-wohlkoenig
franz-wohlkoenig - comment - 18 Jul 2019

Closed as having Pull Request #25630

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