? J3 Issue
avatar AK-CCM
AK-CCM
23 Nov 2018

In the German facebook group „Joomla D-A-CH“ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/joomla.deutschland/permalink/1100114823495656/) I asked about a „content title smart search“ in the backend to access articles faster and easier. Björn Wichern told me about the extension RSFinder! by RSJoomla! (https://www.rsjoomla.com/joomla-extensions/joomla-administrator-search.html) - this plugin is a great tool to find content in a very fast way without the need to click into the menus - just have a look to the attached screenshot:

screen shot 2018-11-23 at 04 10 16

We think that this functionality should be part of the core in the future. For that a search field should be placed in the horizontal toolbar at the top. After the user has typed in two signs ore more, a list with search results from all content types is shown. The search results contains articles, but for example also menu items and modules.

A second idea is to add a switch beside the search field to change between a search of content types or configuration options. The alternative could be a pulldown menu so the user could change the searchable area.

I know this kind of smart search from the backend of my WoltLab web applications (https://www.woltlab.com/apps/) - I've attached some screenshots to you:

screen shot 2018-11-23 at 04 10 16

screen shot 2018-11-23 at 04 10 16

avatar AK-CCM AK-CCM - open - 23 Nov 2018
avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - labeled - 23 Nov 2018
avatar gwsdesk
gwsdesk - comment - 23 Nov 2018

See my reply on the J-Forums: https://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=706&t=967457&p=3549100#p3549100

This is not an Issue but a Feature Request and since an extension provides this functionality and I see no reason to promote the functionality of this extension to "core" this should be closed imho


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avatar AK-CCM
AK-CCM - comment - 23 Nov 2018

Here's a citate of my answer to gwdesk's reply:

"I understand that the core should be clean as possible. But I think the functionality of a smart search within content-titles like the RS-Finder would be a big improvement in the usability of the backend.

And please consider my second suggestion that isn't implemented in RS-Finder, yet: the use of a smart search in the backend to find config options. I love this feature in my WoltLab web applications because this makes the administration of our forum and calendar much faster and easier. Why not in Joomla?

In my opinion this could be a reason to choose Joomla as CMS for a website if this is available out of the box, not as a extension, which is more or less unknown."

Offtopic: If the Issue Tracker is the wrong place for feature requests so why the label [Feature Request] and this hint are existing?
screen shot 2018-11-23 at 18 07 41


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avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 23 Nov 2018

The idea of a site wide search in the admin was part of the design proposal for J4 admin theme

avatar gwsdesk
gwsdesk - comment - 23 Nov 2018

Thanks Brian and acknowledged.......and?

avatar mbabker
mbabker - comment - 23 Nov 2018

You can’t randomly add features to a design proposal without a
functionality document. There exists no such document.

Backend search needs to be better thought out than how both frontend search
components were added. And needs to be part of a proper core search API
that any component be encouraged to use (so have a single hook driven core
API, not three separate systems).

Backend search is also more complex because depending on how far it goes it
has to read more than the database; filesystem results (such as config and
language overrides) would also need inclusion. Then you have a lot more of
the backend UI that is language string driven so if someone’s searching
menu item titles that are stored as language strings and expecting the
translated title…

No, it’s not a simple feature. No, I don’t think it is a must have for
core. And to be perfectly honest, no, I don’t think extension vendors
would buy in on supporting it (many don’t support core search components,
and many of their components are painful or impossible to hook as it is).

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brianteeman - comment - 23 Nov 2018

I made a statement of fact - not a statement of opinion

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brianteeman - comment - 23 Nov 2018

(btw joomla 3.9 introduced search inside the content to the article manager and not just titles)

avatar franz-wohlkoenig franz-wohlkoenig - change - 4 Mar 2019
Status New Discussion
avatar franz-wohlkoenig franz-wohlkoenig - unlabeled - 4 Apr 2019
avatar franz-wohlkoenig franz-wohlkoenig - change - 4 Apr 2019
Labels Added: J3 Issue
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avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - change - 21 May 2019
Status Discussion Closed
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2019-05-21 15:59:09
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joomla-cms-bot - comment - 21 May 2019

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avatar alikon
alikon - comment - 21 May 2019

closed as we already have a search inside the content to the article manager and also there are extensions for this task


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alikon - comment - 21 May 2019

closed as we already have a search inside the content to the article manager and also there are extensions for this task


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gostn - comment - 17 Dec 2020

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