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avatar zero-24
zero-24
12 Oct 2017

Pull Request for Issue #18310 .

Testinstructions

Expected result

No GMail Plugin in 4.0 new installs. If needed it can be installed from a joomla-extensions repo.

Actual result

There is a gmail plugin in the core that is disabled by default + require to enable allow less secure apps setting in the google account.

RFC

Please leave your opinions on this topic below ;)

avatar joomla-cms-bot joomla-cms-bot - change - 12 Oct 2017
Category Administration Language & Strings SQL Installation Postgresql Front End Plugins
avatar zero-24 zero-24 - open - 12 Oct 2017
avatar zero-24 zero-24 - change - 12 Oct 2017
Status New Pending
avatar laoneo
laoneo - comment - 18 Oct 2017

Agree, we should get rid of it.

avatar zero-24
zero-24 - comment - 13 Jan 2018

Any more opinions here? I don't want to waste my time in fixing the conflicts where there are already different decisions done. cc @wilsonge ;)

avatar wilsonge
wilsonge - comment - 22 Jan 2018

Go for it. Let's get rid of it

avatar Bakual
Bakual - comment - 23 Jan 2018

Can we put some message in it for the updating users that says it is unsupported? Eg in the description.

avatar Bakual
Bakual - comment - 23 Jan 2018

If needed it can be installed from a joomla-extensions repo.

Personally, I wouldn't put it in a joomla-extensions repo. That would mean we still have to support it and need to properly "extract" it from core (eg add updateservers) like we did with Weblinks. Just drop it instead.
We should think a bit more about the users who update. Because essentially we leave them with unsupported code in their system. That isn't nice.
for those who have it not enabled, we could actually unistall and delete the plugin automatically. For those who have it active, we should give them a note that they need to find another solution.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 23 Jan 2018

my understanding is that all removed code is being added to the script.php as before but its being done by @wilsonge in batches instead of it being in the pr

avatar peteruoi
peteruoi - comment - 23 Jan 2018

I am not sure what's the reasoning for this decision?
Not many people use it?
Probably but some sure do.
Decoupling? Are we sure we want all plugins the weblinks way?
Maintenance cost?
I 'd say zero but in any case there will be the same maintenace in the joomla maintenace repo (if someone will look over it...)
Do we get rid some jquery library cause of it?
Imho the gain of this is that the plugin manager will have one less plugin.
Is it worth?
I 'm not developer-specialist just a joomla fun and site builder.
There is a tendency to smaller cleaner core and then let the builder go through jet to search for everything but i like when i can do most of the basec thing with core :)

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 23 Jan 2018

Sorry i completely missed something when writing my comment
Removing it from new installs will of course mean that it is still present on upgrades as we dont know if it is being used or not. We could add a message or even change the title of the plugin to "unsupported" but then we will be in a situation where there is code installed on the site that is not in the github repo here which will make support/security checks difficult.
So yes Thomas is correct it is not as simple as just removing it from "new" installs

avatar dgt41
dgt41 - comment - 23 Jan 2018

Do we get rid some jquery library cause of it?

Joomla 4 will not use jQuery although the API (JHtml::_('behavior.jquery');) will still available for the old timers

avatar peteruoi
peteruoi - comment - 23 Jan 2018

i know this. Maybe i didn't express myself well.
I meant we are not going to have an advantage such us removing a dependency of something if we drop the gmail plugin.

avatar Bakual
Bakual - comment - 13 Mar 2018

Why are you dropping such handy Gmail plugin?

Because it is a perfect example of something which should be done by 3rd parties, not core.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 13 Mar 2018

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avatar zero-24 zero-24 - change - 31 Mar 2018
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avatar zero-24
zero-24 - comment - 31 Mar 2018

Any update on this one @wilsonge ? I have just updated that pr & travis is broken on 4.0 in general ?

avatar laoneo laoneo - change - 31 Mar 2018
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avatar laoneo laoneo - change - 31 Mar 2018
Status Pending Fixed in Code Base
Closed_Date 0000-00-00 00:00:00 2018-03-31 18:41:12
Closed_By laoneo
avatar laoneo laoneo - close - 31 Mar 2018
avatar laoneo laoneo - merge - 31 Mar 2018
avatar laoneo
laoneo - comment - 31 Mar 2018

Thanks!!

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 31 Mar 2018

:(

avatar wilsonge
wilsonge - comment - 1 Apr 2018

For others reference there’s lots of marketing work going on behind the scenes on this. Expect to see blog posts etc sooner rather than later.

avatar brianteeman
brianteeman - comment - 1 Apr 2018

If people used https://volunteers.joomla.org/reports it would save a lot of comment

avatar laoneo laoneo - change - 3 Apr 2018
Title
[RFC] Drop GMail Plugin from 4.0 new installs
Drop GMail Plugin from 4.0 new installs
avatar laoneo laoneo - edited - 3 Apr 2018
avatar zero-24 zero-24 - change - 7 Apr 2018
Title
Drop GMail Plugin from 4.0 new installs
[4.0] Drop GMail Plugin from 4.0 new installs
avatar zero-24 zero-24 - edited - 7 Apr 2018

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